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 Post subject: Circumcision... likely to cascade into something else
PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:59 pm 
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I doubt anyone is going to win this. I so see this turning into a debate about plastic surgery and self-mutilation. But I wanted to post it (impassively) anyways.

We were talking in #en last night (2am EST) about foreskin and the pros and cons. So I thought there should be a debate. A very personally revealing debate if need be. :)

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[02:28] Kali_Ava: snipping is terrible
[02:29] * Kali_Ava is completely against snipping
[02:29] SigonLegacy: In reading that, I'm so totally for snipping.

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[02:35] Kali_Ava: The only justification I can see for circumcision at birth is if, like one of my teachers, there's a genetic defect that causes the penis to grow faster than the foreskin therefore resulting in a need circucision at 12 or 13 years old


So... here's what I can get from the top of my head:

Foreskin pros:
- Lots of nerve cells
- Helps protect the penis
- Helps keep the penis clean/contains necessary bacteria
- Adds sensitivity

Foreskin cons:
- Some guys don't clean under the foreskin, which is really icky for their oral partners (which is the biggest complaint I hear when talking about foreskin with other girls)
- There's an inhereted trait in some men where the penis grows faster than the foreskin during pueberty, requiring circucision (due to the cutting off of circulation and painful tightness)
- Foreskins can rip
- There's also another disorder (the name of which slips my mind) where the foreskin never detatches during pueberty. So while it doesn't cause physical discomfort, it's a layer of skin over the sensitive areas of the penis that dulls arousal and stimulation. Can also make it hard to clean underneath (see SomethingAwful for more details)
- Forbidden by some religions

Process of circumcision cons:
- PAIN
- It permanently severs the connection between penis and foreskin, completely destroying the biological uses of the foreskin (namely protection and cleanliness)


So... I consider it to be mutilation. Especially since the foreskin isn't considered useless and/or dangerous (like the appendix).

It's like removing a gall bladder before any gall stones have developed; the gall bladder is not essential for life, but it aids a lot in digestion. There are many cases of gall stones being reported, though they are not gauranteed. Also important to note: there are other methods of treating the gall bladder other than removal.

So (and please address the initial topic before going on about the following) you can see how this will eventually get into replacing body parts and damaging the skin. :P

I'm not taking the thread too seriously, but still, it'd be nice to have fun.

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More Nerves = More Sensitivity = Shorter Sex.

I have no idea why any girl would be against circumcision.

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OmnipotentEntity wrote:
More Nerve = More Sensitivity = Shorter Sex.

I have no idea why any girl would be against circumcision.


Anatomy webpage NWS wrote:
The foreskin performs several important functions. Most of these functions center on making sex more enjoyable, not only for just one, but for both partners.

Protection
Makes sex feel better
Lubricates during intercourse
Lubricates during masturbation
Reduces the drop insensitivity through age
Allows the erection to grow
Increases sensitivity slowing intercourse


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In a study of 42 Turkish men circumcised for religious reasons, Senkul found no significant effect other than a 60% increase in time to ejaculation at the 98% statistical confidence level. Senkul suggested that delayed ejaculation may in fact be seen as a benefit.

In a study of 15 American men, Collins, found no post-circumcision difference in sex drive, erections, ejaculations, and overall satisfaction.

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A multinational study by Waldinger et al found that circumcised men took on average 6.7 minutes to ejaculate, compared with 6.0 minutes for uncircumcised men. This difference was not statistically significant.

I excluded studies based on circumcision required for medical reasons and what was said to be unreliable (like the role of the ridged band).

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nothing can bring my foreskin back so I find it pointless to debate.

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arwing wrote:
nothing can bring my foreskin back so I find it pointless to debate.

The nature of this forum is to debate pointless things. :P

Besides, body mutilation/modification on a subject that hasn't been studied well is one of the best things to debate!

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Kali_Ava wrote:
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nothing can bring my foreskin back so I find it pointless to debate.

The nature of this forum is to debate pointless things. :P

Besides, body mutilation/modification on a subject that hasn't been studied well is one of the best things to debate!
Okay then I am against the combination of sharp things and penis.

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Foreskin ~ increased risk for <b>PENILE CANCER</b>.

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Foreskin ~ increased risk for <b>PENILE CANCER</b>.

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nothing can bring my foreskin back so I find it pointless to debate.


Any links? (Why would foreskin lead to cancer?)

...I just wanted to have an active thread that wasn't about fire/God.

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This is from memory and as such slightly unreliable.

A foreskin can increse the chance of getting an STD. This is mostly because the skin under the forskin isn't as strong at blocking out incomming virus' as the regular skin on the rest of the body.
There was a study in Africa on AIDS rates amongst circumsized guys and un-circumsized guys and they found that those cut had lower rates, I don't know how much lower because this is from memory.

Not that I care, mine is long gone and its not like I can regrow it(although some people have attemtped to stretch the skin through surgury and rebuild one for some bizarre reasons) I didn't even know guys had to clean out under there till someone told me about it a few months back.

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This is from memory and as such slightly unreliable.

A foreskin can increse the chance of getting an STD. This is mostly because the skin under the forskin isn't as strong at blocking out incomming virus' as the regular skin on the rest of the body.
There was a study in Africa on AIDS rates amongst circumsized guys and un-circumsized guys and they found that those cut had lower rates, I don't know how much lower because this is from memory.


I'm too lazy to look up the sites, but this ought to be correct (can correct me if I'm wrong, I'm tired).

STDs are easily transferable via mucus membrane. It's not that the foreskin isn't as strong, it's that the membrane underneath is much more vulnerable to viruses (like HIV). And while this is feasible and probably true, I don't remember if there has been any substantial "proof" (other than the study you mentioned) that transmission is noticeably higher. :-/

So it'd be a lot like contracting AIDS through oral sex (for men). For women, that mucus membrane is there and absorbant! @_@ So vaginal intercourse is a good equivalent. As is anal in both genders. (although I don't know much about female circumcision, so maybe circumcised females lack that nice moist membrane?)

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According to this study I'm apparently wrong. So, oops.

On a seperate note, I wouldn't do it to my kids, only because I don't really see the point.

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Here comes my female point of view

Most of the men (no they arent even that many, tehe :lol: ) Have been circumcised, I never really thought about it too much that what meaning does it has then while the first man I was with was preaching about it too much :roll: maybe because he is straight bushman coming from Ghana and he realised men dont circumcise at all in Finland. Anyways I dont honestly remember anymore what were the crucial things apart that he said you dont get sick so easily.

Now that you were talking about it there above and knowing I have some wobbly layers in my body that keeps some area moist and therefore not so strong of course that area that keeps on beeing in high humidity and heat enviro might change in a way that it cant prevent getting infections-well not only might but actually that IS the case.

Since all my life I've been with a guy that has been circumcised I now dont feel very comfortable going down giving oral to a guy who is not circumcised, if I had not had experience of circumcised penis and was just dwelling with uncircumcised penises I might not know of better but now, you have to be really special person and basicly having brushed your penis throughly with a toothbrush or something before I can lay my mouth on it. Its like Im a cat that tasted caviar and dont dare to go back to catfood :3nod:

Its much more beautiful, I mean penis is so much more beautiful when it is circumcised, its smooth all over like a sculpture and when its erected it is sooo soft like silk that you just feel like caressing it with your lips (thats how you feel the softness of the skin best because lips are so sensitive)

circumcision brings the entire form of penis come out with flying colours, any wringliness of skin would spoil that visual pleasure-this is of course something that one grows to long for once you have encountered circumcised penis :lol: I know that a woman who's been with uncircumcised penis maybe dont spend much time thinking about sex and even less looking and admiring the form of his husbands penis .... or I might be wrong too how can I know the whole worlds womens and what they do in the bedrooms


For me personally the most uncomfortable factor with uncircumcised penis is the thought of what all is been harboured in the underlayers of the foreskin it now requaires extra effort keeping your penis clean while circumcised penis can live without seeing water for months and will never get dirty-well unless of course if I had to forinstance give oral to a man who hasnt been to shower for ages what would now put me off is the smell of the pubichairs and anushole :o :-?


I have a son who is circumcised and if I had a son again I would circumcise him again because its the least I can do, I only regretted that in Finland they dont have tradition to do this so you would have to wait till the child is one year old because he has to be put to anesthesia while the jews do it when the baby is still freshly born and the skin is like paper thin and its just matter of days or even hours when the skin has grown together already


What would circumcision mean for a woman ?

I once met a woman from somalia (in Finland) she was still religoius enough to swear beheading that infamous converted literature betrayer (I dont remember his name anymore and dont even want some such people coming to read my stories here....) but yet she was "liberal" enough to be out and about after the rich old finnish men to take the destiny to her own hands - so curious that I am I had to ask her if she was circumcised and she said she was so I then asked her because I dont know to what extend was she circumcised that how does she feel anything when she is with a man, she then told me that her pussy dont smell :3nod:


Its about the same thing to circumcise womens pussy and the westerners are btw doing it in the form of or calling it beautyoperation - reducing the labias or whatever, I dont have like any huge things hanging down there but I have always been wanting to chop them smaller because I imagine it could highten sexual experience and also IT WONT SMELL SO BAD ANYMORE :oops: well I dont want to like advertise here but most of the time no matter how aromatic it gets (after all I shower every day now) it always smells good to me, so I dont really mind if my pussy smells (because I know men likes the smell of pussy), I would only mind if it smelled offensive or repulsive, you know, but it never does- besides if it did then I would know something is wrong and will have to go to doctor about it

However, I would or even am considering this operation because to me this life is adventure and I want to enjoy it to the fullest and if I can "embetter" any experience or do something about something Im always interested in doing, I know one day I will sculpt my pussy more cleaner-just because I fucking want to, thats all


Does a man who is circumcised last longer than the one who is not ? It doesnt change anything, I dont really think that long lasting erection has much nothing to do with this kind of little cosmetic detail, a man who is not circumcised only feels sensitive if you specifically go to touch that area that where the foreskin is but not when stroking a pussy, which part would be rinsing that particular spot so hard and even if it will still not be in such a way that you would feel in anyway sensitive more than the circumcised-but then again Im just speculating because I dont know ?

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What would circumcision mean for a woman?

Mutilation.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_cirm.htm
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2313097.html
http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/femgen/fgm1.htm


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These are the things you can read in Western world informative end but there are lot of strong beleifs in Africa that are often not even related to any religion at all.

One idea is that if you dont cut the woman's genitals they can continue to grow nearly to the size of penis (which is not too far fetched because there are some cases where womans clitoris has grown really huge and it is after all imitating penis having the knob and root and all, its like under developed penis !!!

Another thing is that it is said the african women actually FEELS MORE in the actual intercourse and they are more "warmed up" in other words they dont even need the foreplay but are ready to go like instant coffee :3nod: This could be because the minipenis was removed, who knows if this kind of radical circumcision clarifies womanhood and you become more woman than if you had the little starter of penis there :confused:

If this "clarification" of womahood by removing the minipenis makes the woman more warmer and sensual from the actual vagina area (as should be) then the following claim is wrong saying that circumcised women dont get pregnant as often as the ones with minipenises:


"In Sudan, for example, one study found that infibulated women are almost twice as likely as other women to have lower fertility and more than twice as likely to be divorced.13 Thus, a practice that is justified as making girls marriageable and safeguarding their fertility may actually increase the risk of marital dissolution and subfertility."


I dont really know how these stories generates if they are true or not but my information is from real people and well I havent slept with black women myself so I dont know how wet they get and how soon but I can imagine this claim to be true by basic logic. If you remove the little penis the sensation will become more in the vaginal area, I actually once read a sex magasine where this one huge vained cocky man was machoing that he can give any woman vagina orgasm and that the secret is that he dont touch clitoris at all because that would change the sensation consentration to that area, he only consentrates on rubbing and rinsing the vagina walls and leaves clitoris alone

What do you have to say about this, maybe Africa is the true Adam and Eve place and we have come far away from the nature understanding our own sexualities and bodyfuntionalities and such ?????????

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egets wrote:
Now that you were talking about it there above and knowing I have some wobbly layers in my body that keeps some area moist and therefore not so strong of course that area that keeps on beeing in high humidity and heat enviro might change in a way that it cant prevent getting infections-well not only might but actually that IS the case.

Slow down:
Moist layers do not mean weak. The mucus membrane is simply semi-permiable membrane that absorbs and secrets. It's purpose generally aids in digestion, fertilization, or protection from foreign elements (like the membrane in the nose).

Secondly, the layer is there to help prevent infections, not harbor them. There are certain bacteria that lives there, and if you keep moist and healthy, the bacteria should survive enough to irradicate other, more harmful bacteria (which would later cause infections).

So, you want the scientific rundown?
b. the mucous membranes

Mucous membranes line body cavities that open to the exterior, such as the respiratory tract, the gastrointestinal tract, and the genitourinary tract. Mucous membranes are composed of an epithelial layer that secretes mucus, and a connective tissue layer. The mucus is a physical barrier that traps microbes. Mucus also contains lysozyme to degrade bacterial peptidoglycan, an antibody called secretory IgA that prevents microbes from attaching to mucosal cells and traps them in the mucous, lactoferrin to bind iron and keep it from from being used by microbes, and lactoperoxidase to generate toxic superoxide radicals that kill microbes. Resident normal flora of the mucosa also inhibit potentially harmful microbes. In addition, the mucous membrane, like the skin, is constantly sloughing cells to remove microbes that have attached to the mucous membranes. Beneath the mucosal membrane is mucosa-associated lymphoid tissue (MALT) that contains cells for killing microbes and sampling antigens on the mucosa to start adaptive immune responses against them.


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Since all my life I've been with a guy that has been circumcised I now dont feel very comfortable going down giving oral to a guy who is not circumcised, if I had not had experience of circumcised penis and was just dwelling with uncircumcised penises I might not know of better but now, you have to be really special person and basicly having brushed your penis throughly with a toothbrush or something before I can lay my mouth on it. Its like Im a cat that tasted caviar and dont dare to go back to catfood

Yeah, culture does play into the preferences. Most American girls that I talk to think the same of an uncircumsized penis as you do. Unfortunately, they know little about the anatomy of the foreskin. (Gogo internet!)

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Its much more beautiful, I mean penis is so much more beautiful when it is circumcised, its smooth all over like a sculpture and when its erected it is sooo soft like silk that you just feel like caressing it with your lips (thats how you feel the softness of the skin best because lips are so sensitive)

Lips are also mucus membranes! (side note)

Have you seen an erect uncircumsized penis? The internet has plenty of comparisons. Here's a very easy, not work safe site: here. While erect, the appearance shouldn't be much different.

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I know that a woman who's been with uncircumcised penis maybe dont spend much time thinking about sex and even less looking and admiring the form of his husbands penis .... or I might be wrong too how can I know the whole worlds womens and what they do in the bedrooms

wtf? A penis is a penis. Any good wife/sexually active girlfriend ought to study the penis. Not only will it make it easier to pleasure him, but it'll be much easier to be in control (via many pleasurable factors). A women is often at the mercy of a man that knows his way around pussy. Likewise, a man should be able to trust that his companion will be able to take care of him. Circumcised or not. *shakes head*

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For me personally the most uncomfortable factor with uncircumcised penis is the thought of what all is been harboured in the underlayers of the foreskin it now requaires extra effort keeping your penis clean while circumcised penis can live without seeing water for months and will never get dirty

Now requires extra effort? Please, it's like cleaning any part of the body. A little soap and water. It's not effort unless it's painful for the guy. Although, cleaning a circumcised penis probably is a lot less effort.

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I had to ask her if she was circumcised and she said she was so I then asked her because I dont know to what extend was she circumcised that how does she feel anything when she is with a man, she then told me that her pussy dont smell :3nod:

That's a shame. Pussy smell is one of the great things about being female. Our wetness and ejaculation (in some cases) is much more sweet and tangy than the saltiness of a male's ejaculation. Her hubby can't even take her dirty underwear and put it on his head to get an immediate hard-on. :cry:
(can you goons tell I read too many confessions in that confessional thread. Haha)

egets"Its about the same thing to circumcise womens pussy and the westerners are btw doing it in the form of or calling it beautyoperation - reducing the labias or whatever[/quote]

Difference between circumcision and a "beauty operation"

[quote="Good ol' Wikipedia"]"Clitoridotomy" (which is also called "hoodectomy" as a slang term) involves the removal or splitting of the clitoral hood. The United Nations Population Fund states that this is comparable to male circumcision.

Clitoridectomy means the partial or total removal of the external part of the clitoris. It was sometimes practiced in English-speaking nations well after the first half of the Twentieth Century, ostensibly to stop masturbation.

Infibulation replaces the vulva with a wall of flesh from the pubis to the anus, except for a pencil-size opening at the inferior portion of the vulva to allow urine and menstrual blood to pass through.

Other forms are collectively referred to as Type IV. This includes a diverse range of practices, including pricking the clitoris with needles, burning or scarring the genitals as well as ripping or tearing of the vagina. Type IV is found primarily among isolated ethnic groups as well as in combination with other types.[/quote]

[quote="Wiki on Labiaplasty wrote:
Labiaplasty (sometimes spelled labioplasty) is a plastic surgery procedure involving the labia, any of four folds of tissue of the vulva (female external genitalia).

As with other procedures, like plastic surgery of the nose, called rhinoplasty, labiaplasty may be undertaken for functional reasons, aesthetic reasons, or a combination of the two. The procedure can involve creation or reshaping of the labia. Labiaplasty is sometimes performed to revise aesthetic conditions such as large inner labia, as well as to repair the area following disease or injury, especially from childbirth. . . .In the case of transsexual women, labiaplasty is frequently the second part of a two-stage vaginoplasty, where labia and a clitoral hood are created. This is often performed a few months after the first part of the procedure. In some cases, labiaplasty is an elective procedure to improve appearance after a one-stage vaginoplasty.


The only part similar is that Clitoridotomy may be involved for women who've been unable to orgasm. And just because the size of the labia has been altered, it doesn't mean that the membrane has been destroyed. They even have surgical procedures to reattach the hymen (which is, guess what, a mucous membrane). No where does it talk about nearly closeing off the vaginal opening and/or removing the clit.

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I dont have like any huge things hanging down there but I have always been wanting to chop them smaller because I imagine it could highten sexual experience

In what ways would it highten the experience? Confidence-wise? Shortening the labia is not going to make the G-spot easier to reach, and a long labia shouldn't get in the way of a partner's ability to stimulate the clit.

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I know one day I will sculpt my pussy more cleaner-just because I fucking want to, thats all

I'd suggest you do more research. Even if it's the pitiful online research we use for these debates.

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a man who is not circumcised only feels sensitive if you specifically go to touch that area that where the foreskin is

Err, the foreskin would be at the base of an erect penis. See http://www.foreskin.org/3zones-c.htm (NWS). *sighs* It's as sensitive as a circumcised penis, and arguably moreso.

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One idea is that if you dont cut the woman's genitals they can continue to grow nearly to the size of penis

And as can be clearly noted, DOES NOT HAPPEN.

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Another thing is that it is said the african women actually FEELS MORE in the actual intercourse and they are more "warmed up" in other words they dont even need the foreplay but are ready to go like instant coffee

Where the fuck did you get this?
Female circumcision is a procedure generally used to reduce/eliminate all sexual pleasure. So she'd be dry as a bone and the experience would be painful.

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If this "clarification" of womahood by removing the minipenis makes the woman more warmer and sensual from the actual vagina area (as should be) then the following claim is wrong saying that circumcised women dont get pregnant as often as the ones with minipenises:

It wouldn't be considered such a horrible mutilation if it was beneficial. The women don't get pregnant as much because they lack most of the essential fluids in their vaginal canals for carrying/keeping the sperm alive so that it can get to an egg.

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I actually once read a sex magasine where this one huge vained cocky man was machoing that he can give any woman vagina orgasm and that the secret is that he dont touch clitoris at all because that would change the sensation consentration to that area, he only consentrates on rubbing and rinsing the vagina walls and leaves clitoris alone

And here, we get into the debate about the elusive G-spot. Which I believe exists. And yes, touching the clit <i>can</i> divert the sensations felt in the contraction of the vaginal walls because it's so sensitive (although I would say it adds to the sensation and draws out the orgasm).

It's rumored that there are two types of female orgasms, and that the G-spot orgasm has nothing to do with the clit. However, I call this bullshit, and I do believe that most women can get a deeper, fuller orgasm by stimulating both areas simultaneously.

I don't have any lesbian experience on this matter, so if any lesbian/hetero-male is bored enough to debate with you, I'm sure they could correct me and share in the myths/truths of giving orgasms.

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Foreskin ~ increased risk for <b>PENILE CANCER</b>.

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nothing can bring my foreskin back so I find it pointless to debate.


Any links? (Why would foreskin lead to cancer?)

...I just wanted to have an active thread that wasn't about fire/God.


<a href="http://www.cancer.org/docroot/cri/content/cri_2_4_2x_what_are_the_risk_factors_for_penile_cancer_35.asp?sitearea=cri">Here.</a>

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Some guys don't clean under the foreskin, which is really icky for their oral partners (which is the biggest complaint I hear when talking about foreskin with other girls)

To clarify, it's more than just icky. It's really bad for everyone concerned.

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I thought the original cause for circumcision was the ease in which wounds can get infected, especially within a desert climate (dust gets everywhere). Which is why it is proscribed heavily by religions that are born from the middle east and Africa, as it become a hygiene risk to still have it attached.

I've got mine, and I'm damn proud of it. It's like having an extra pocket, I can store stuff in it if need be.


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wtf? why would anybody want this one to be straighter : http://www.circumstitions.com/Restric/Images/Botched/bent2.jpg


quote -Again, it can't be certain if this would have been straighter if it had been left intact - but the scar line suggests that it might.
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I would like to try this "freak of nature" to rinse my g-spot <3

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Kali_Ava wrote:
Slow down:
Moist layers do not mean weak. The mucus membrane is simply semi-permiable membrane that absorbs and secrets. It's purpose generally aids in digestion, fertilization, or protection from foreign elements (like the membrane in the nose).......


well dont know exactly what is going on with the foreskin but was imaginating that its like having extralayer of skin that keeps on being moist because of the humiditiness so the bakterias like to stay there because its moist area





Have you seen an erect uncircumsized penis? The internet has plenty of comparisons. Here's a very easy, not work safe site: here. While erect, the appearance shouldn't be much different.

I admit I havent seen such well endowed uncircumcised penises before, I was othervice too browsing those penises there and most of the "deformed" penises that the site was condemning looked quite delicious and strong and also they had so much personality in them, Im still not against circumcision after all that propaganda, however its an educative site that mothers should be also be educated more what to do with their sons circumcised penis or when to know something is not right


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I know that a woman who's been with uncircumcised penis maybe dont spend much time thinking about sex and even less looking and admiring the form of his husbands penis .... or I might be wrong too how can I know the whole worlds womens and what they do in the bedrooms

wtf? A penis is a penis. Any good wife/sexually active girlfriend ought to study the penis. Not only will it make it easier to pleasure him, but it'll be much easier to be in control (via many pleasurable factors). A women is often at the mercy of a man that knows his way around pussy. Likewise, a man should be able to trust that his companion will be able to take care of him. Circumcised or not. *shakes head*


Im so totally with you here, while I have nothing against bein at the mercy of a man that knows his way around my pussy I should also thoroughly get to know with his penis inch by inch until I could sculpt a perfect clone out of clay with my eyes closed-also knowing what all kind of things he likes to be done with it 3====D ((.))


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the thought of what all is been harboured in the underlayers of the foreskin...

Now requires extra effort? Please, it's like cleaning any part of the body. A little soap and water. It's not effort unless it's painful for the guy. Although, cleaning a circumcised penis probably is a lot less effort.

I meant extra effort in a sense that if it was circumcised you would never have to do anything with it and its always clean and in top notch condition


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I had to ask her if she was circumcised and she said she was so I then asked her because I dont know to what extend was she circumcised that how does she feel anything when she is with a man, she then told me that her pussy dont smell :3nod:

That's a shame. Pussy smell is one of the great things about being female. Our wetness and ejaculation (in some cases) is much more sweet and tangy than the saltiness of a male's ejaculation. Her hubby can't even take her dirty underwear and put it on his head to get an immediate hard-on. :cry:
(can you goons tell I read too many confessions in that confessional thread. Haha)

:oops: sometimes you sound like old dirty pervert, but since thats how I sound myself too I dont really mind :lol: :wink:


egets"Its about the same thing to circumcise womens pussy and the westerners are btw doing it in the form of or calling it beautyoperation - reducing the labias or whatever[/quote]

Difference between circumcision and a "beauty operation"

Clitoridotomy, what is wrong with ppl, why is sexuality such a bad thing that you have to go chop off your clitoris ppl are just plain stupid or something. its better to fucking masturbate than to forinstance kill ppl now after all :roll: what a crime to get orgasm and feel happy for the rest of the day and be all chear up and joyful and spread the message


[quote="egets"]I dont have like any huge things hanging down there but I have always been wanting to chop them smaller because I imagine it could highten sexual experience[/quote]
In what ways would it highten the experience? Confidence-wise? Shortening the labia is not going to make the G-spot easier to reach, and a long labia shouldn't get in the way of a partner's ability to stimulate the clit.


Well in that way that the sensitive clitoris area will be more exposed and maybe also stretched forward depending on how the operation was done, of course being such a sensitive area it might even get painful already if it was so exposed.....I dont know then
I dont think my pussy is like ugly or anything its as beautiful as pussy can be and I love it as it is


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I know one day I will sculpt my pussy more cleaner-just because I fucking want to, thats all

I'd suggest you do more research. Even if it's the pitiful online research we use for these debates.

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a man who is not circumcised only feels sensitive if you specifically go to touch that area that where the foreskin is

Err, the foreskin would be at the base of an erect penis. See http://www.foreskin.org/3zones-c.htm (NWS). *sighs* It's as sensitive as a circumcised penis, and arguably moreso.


but thats what I just said now too

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One idea is that if you dont cut the woman's genitals they can continue to grow nearly to the size of penis

And as can be clearly noted, DOES NOT HAPPEN.

:lol: well that is true but I keep on checking mine all the time and Im not so sure if it has grown during the years though ....

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Another thing is that it is said the african women actually FEELS MORE in the actual intercourse and they are more "warmed up" in other words they dont even need the foreplay but are ready to go like instant coffee

Where the fuck did you get this?
Female circumcision is a procedure generally used to reduce/eliminate all sexual pleasure. So she'd be dry as a bone and the experience would be painful.

well actually a voluptous african woman said this to me and she should know because she is a pro and very active sexually !!!! but still I havent been in the scene to know about the wetness but how could you be sleeping with men if you are all dried up- u will bleed and injure yourself till u cant anymore- so it must be true then what she is saying :confused:

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If this "clarification" of womahood by removing the minipenis makes the woman more warmer and sensual from the actual vagina area (as should be) then the following claim is wrong saying that circumcised women dont get pregnant as often as the ones with minipenises:

It wouldn't be considered such a horrible mutilation if it was beneficial. The women don't get pregnant as much because they lack most of the essential fluids in their vaginal canals for carrying/keeping the sperm alive so that it can get to an egg.

I also beleif that there is a lot of other kind of hormonal and chemical reactions going on in a woman when she is all opened up for a man and sex which is making more welcome environment for a woman to get pregnant, well the fluids yes and then also hotness of the voumb and no stresshormones or something like that...


egets wrote:
I actually once read a sex magasine where this one huge vained cocky man was machoing that he can give any woman vagina orgasm and that the secret is that he dont touch clitoris at all because that would change the sensation consentration to that area, he only consentrates on rubbing and rinsing the vagina walls and leaves clitoris alone

And here, we get into the debate about the elusive G-spot. Which I believe exists. And yes, touching the clit <i>can</i> divert the sensations felt in the contraction of the vaginal walls because it's so sensitive (although I would say it adds to the sensation and draws out the orgasm).

It's rumored that there are two types of female orgasms, and that the G-spot orgasm has nothing to do with the clit. However, I call this bullshit, and I do believe that most women can get a deeper, fuller orgasm by stimulating both areas simultaneously.
.[/quote]


If you are stimulating both of them its really hard to know which one is which, I would really like to experience once in my life a plain through vagina orgasm because I feel like it would be like the thing meowww !!! but anyways it could be that via vagina the orgasm is never like in that way prominent its just that kind of constant flow of feel good sensation where you never reach the actual peak-and thats why we women could go on like forever-oh you poor me you gotta work it work it, work outside home then come home and work it again :lol: :lol: or if you dont she has to go somewhere else take unemployed bum who has strenght to work it for her since the man is tired after work :lol: its not easy being man is it ?

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Please, egets. I can sorta make out your responses, but I'm having trouble putting it into a coherent post with all the coding errors. :confused:

I'm going to be gone for a little, but will comment on egets and thinny in a bit.

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