revolutio wrote:
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In my opinion they should have made guns illegal following the establishment of a national army. However for some God forsaken reason they thought people were sensible enough to have their own guns without parental supervision thus we are in the vice we are today.
Lets start here. You sir are a fucking IDIOT! Perhaps you know nothing of American History but if we had revoked the right for the citizens to keep and bear arms after the establishment of a national army (which I might add happened BEFORE we were a country) we would have failed as a country.
Guns were integral to survival throughout the country until the 1900's. They fed countless people and defended our country in some wars (1812 and civil come to mind but the general expertice of an american with a gun is without compare the world over.)
Now if you are honestly suggesting that we tell the very fathers of our country to fuck off, that they got the very principles of freedom, the principles that are the BASIS for our existence, wrong would be idiotic. Please, if you are going to voice unlearned, ignornant, and plain stupid opinions please go boil some bleach and breathe the fumes.
Now to get to your purely ignorant comment about the army.
revolutio wrote:
Zarathustra wrote:
I don't trust humanity either. However, I trust the government (generally made up of the most corrupt and power-hungry segment of humanity) even less. I do not want the state controlling how I use firearms, unless the state is willing to control its own use, which in the current social/economic/international situation, it won't.
I mean, seriously. If America turns into a fascist state, how the hell are we going to overthrow whatever dictator *coughBushcoughcough* winds up rising to power? WITH POINTED STICKS?
Sigh the illusion of actually being able to have a chance at violent revolution. Good God just look at our military. There would be absolutely nothing in the public domain that could lay a finger on the Air Force the navy would pound the coastal cities into dust without even breaking a sweat. The army would have an obscene kill to death ratio.
Face it, civilians would be fucked like Mibby in prison on day one. Besides we have already established by elections that over 50% of the population doesn't give a flying fuck about the government so you wouldn't even have every person fighting back. You would have bandwagon patriots who would refuse to recognize the situation. The Right and Left wingers would never fight together and Australia would be all like "Wtf mate?"
Ok, first Icy makes some good points, a little extremist but good for illustration purposes. You however take a useful tool break it into a million pieces and then blend it with shit.
You are very right that nothing in the private domain can touch the air force or navy. However both of these would be insignificant in the event of a revolution. History, through the most current wars (Gulf 1&2 make this painfully clear), has shown that the ONLY thing that can win a war is ground troops. So we have the Army and Marines. Helicopters and tanks are easily taken out so it becomes a pretty balanced fight.
All of this however neglects to take into account the very fact that our soldiers are not mindless automitons. I personally know a very wide range of military people, and since my wife and numerous of my friends have joined the army I've gotten a very good view of their beliefs. If you think that our army would shoot americans these days you are sorely mistaken. While there are some that would roughly 70% would revolt against the government. What you fail to realize is that since Vietnam and Kent State NO ONE in the military has been willing to use violence against fellow citizens in any large scale.
You also neglect the fact that the Generals in our armies are some of the biggest capitalists out there. They have more to lose in a dictatorship or fascist state than nearly anyone else.
So while your alarmist propaganda looks good try a taste of reality for a change. I despise Bush and am suspicious of my government but at least I'm not an idiot about it. Try being a responsible citizen for a change, hell you might even like it!
-Lifyre
Why do you idiots try me so?
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Just for the record MiB is one of the least angsty people I know. And I fail to see how his sexuality matters? Unless of course this is yet another demonstration of your ignorance in thinking this makes his opinion any less valid.
Honestly making retard comments like these just point to your own deficiences, or percieved deficiencies in yourself. You prolly see yourself as a angst ridden gay man with fantasies for Mibbers here. (Ok, maybe not mibbers)
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