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I have a vague memory of seeing a story somewhere about some powerful beings or gods or something, battling on some world long ago, until one of them died and they stopped fighting and started doing something else instead... making new life or whatnot, I don't remember the details.

For some reason I associate that vague memory with this comic. Specifically, with the Elven gods... every time I hear about Exitialis, the association pops into my head linking him with the god that died in that story I vaguely remember.

So I'm wondering if anyone can remember anywhere in the comic where some such story was told... I get the feeling it would have either been in the very beginning (possibly even before the comic went live... maybe something Poe mentioned on the old EN site?), or during one of the many assorted "prehistories of the world" that Ian, Meji, Jon and Sarine all respectively have told at various times.

Does anyone have any ideas about that, or am I just remembering something from somewhere else and falsely associating it with Errant Story?

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I believe you are referring to the Elven war, which is I believe a part of Ian's history. Before the story, Ian points out that of the three gods, Exitalis, the god of death, is not worshipped much among elves. The other part has to do when one of the elves died, and the rest realized that, hey, there are actual consequences to fighting. At least, I think that's what you're referring to.

Sorry I don't have any specific pages... I don't have a good memory for details, and I'm too lazy to look them up.


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I don't think it had anything to do with the an elf dying... the story I remember, whether actually ES-related or not, was definitely about a war between gods or effectively god-like beings, none of whom had died for a very, very long time at least. I also recall something about them being from somewhere other than the planet where this war happened... they had come to this world from elsewhere.

It's most closely associated in my mind with the Random Idiot quote from the first page; the Great Cataclysm was this war, and the world that existed before this one was the world of these gods, before the war, before they started to create new life on it. I think that whatever it is I'm remembering, I read very near to the beginning of Errant Story; either here on the ES site itself, or somewhere else related to it.

I recall having recalled this story when Ian or Sarine were telling their respective histories-of-the-world, and thinking "hmm Exitialis... God of Death... maybe is that one god who died..." but I can't for the life of me recall where I read the story about the war between the gods and whether it really had anything to do with ES or not.

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Closest thing in-comic that I can think of is Chapter Four: http://www.errantstory.com/archive.php?date=2003-06-25

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Grandia II? That would fit the bill. 8)


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I believe you are referring to this strip: http://www.errantstory.com/archive.php?date=2003-01-06

It's from waaay back in chapter one, and they don't mention the god-war part again that I can remember, so either you picked it up somewhere else or you just have a crazy head.


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Tiamat wrote:
I believe you are referring to this strip: http://www.errantstory.com/archive.php?date=2003-01-06

It's from waaay back in chapter one, and they don't mention the god-war part again that I can remember, so either you picked it up somewhere else or you just have a crazy head.


Yes! That is what I was thinking of. Thank you Tiamat. And thank you too Impy, but that's the chapter I was just rereading when I got to thinking "hmm Exitialis... wasn't there something about a god dying at some point...".

So, that story I recalled was from the first book of the Lorenzel excavations. I wonder how accurate that book can be considered compared to Ian and Sarine's respective accounts of ancient (pre)history. (Jon's statement of the Veracian take on things is clearly church propaganda, and Meiji's account of magical meteorites is obviously Tsuirakuan devoutly-atheistic pseudoscientific bullshit).

On the one hand, neither of them were familiar with the contents of those books (e.g. neither of them new about the giant magical potato thingy), so the books could contain important information that neither of them knew (and Sarine has admitted that she doesn't know everything there is to know about ancient Elven affairs). On the other hand, the books were fallible human translations of ancient Elven crystals that were apparently missing numerous bits, whose authors/translators weren't necessarily sure what said crystals were talking about in the first place (e.g. temples as opposed to travel platforms), and there are indications that some of the text may have been edited/censored by Veracia.

A possible tipping point: according to <A HREF="http://www.errantstory.com/archive.php?date=2003-10-15">this strip</A>, there are certainly more than three locations in the list where they found Anilis' tomb (that one, in southwestern Farrel; "some", at least two, up north; and unspecified others). This would support the Lorenzel Excavation Vol I's story of many gods buried away sleeping, versus the Elven account of only three gods, one of whom doesn't really matter. On the other hand, the paedogogusi refer to "the old bitch" and "the old bastard" as though the Elven account of Anilis and Senilis is correct; though the Elven gods may have only been a few of the many gods who fought in this war.

It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out - if the "war between gods from faraway lands" story is more or less accurate than the "one great God who split into three" of modern Elven mythology (or Ian's account thereof). My bet is on something in between. Perhaps Anilis and Senilis were leaders of the opposing sides in the God War / Great Cataclysm, and (as I earlier expected) Exitialis is the one who died in that war (perhaps the head of a third faction?). Perhaps they were all one being initially, as per Ian's account; or perhaps that is metaphor for the division of one unified group of gods into separate factions. I'm especially curious where the gods themselves came from, as the Lorenzel Excavations Vol I speaks of them almost as though they were aliens, coming to this planet from somewhere far away.

I guess we'll find out eventually.

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Resurrecting this thread from beyond the grave...

It just dawned on me that a possibly easy way to reconcile these accounts of a "race of gods" versus just the Elven three is that perhaps Jon's religious skepticism is right, and the Elven deities are (were) just big magical constructs like Luminosita... only not built by the Elves, but by another, more powerful race who came to this world from elsewhere, who have perhaps since died out, leaving only the slumbering remains of their poke-gods (and all that they made through said poke-gods) behind.

Some part of me deep down likes the idea that the race which created those poke-gods was some ancient strain of humanity, but that doesn't really seem to mesh well with known accounts of history.

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Forrest wrote:
Resurrecting this thread from beyond the grave...

It just dawned on me that a possibly easy way to reconcile these accounts of a "race of gods" versus just the Elven three is that perhaps Jon's religious skepticism is right, and the Elven deities are (were) just big magical constructs like Luminosita... only not built by the Elves, but by another, more powerful race who came to this world from elsewhere, who have perhaps since died out, leaving only the slumbering remains of their poke-gods (and all that they made through said poke-gods) behind.

Some part of me deep down likes the idea that the race which created those poke-gods was some ancient strain of humanity, but that doesn't really seem to mesh well with known accounts of history.


Well, humans are the only race in ES to go un-accounted for.

"I do not know what weapons world war 3 will be fought with, but I know world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones" - Albert Einstein

A war so great that even a god could die? Then the eventual discovery of a race of primatives, who inevitably inherited the planet? Whose to say they weren't the original inhabitants..


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Forrest wrote:
Resurrecting this thread from beyond the grave...

It just dawned on me that a possibly easy way to reconcile these accounts of a "race of gods" versus just the Elven three is that perhaps Jon's religious skepticism is right, and the Elven deities are (were) just big magical constructs like Luminosita... only not built by the Elves, but by another, more powerful race who came to this world from elsewhere, who have perhaps since died out, leaving only the slumbering remains of their poke-gods (and all that they made through said poke-gods) behind.

Some part of me deep down likes the idea that the race which created those poke-gods was some ancient strain of humanity, but that doesn't really seem to mesh well with known accounts of history.



Funny, because it will have hard time to stand VS the discution of the pedago.... the fearys that refere to them as thinking intelligente being (the old pervert and the old bitch) able to create other being, even with useless boobs that are funny when they gigle...

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Funny, because it will have hard time to stand VS the discution of the pedago.... the fearys that refere to them as thinking intelligente being (the old pervert and the old bitch) able to create other being, even with useless boobs that are funny when they gigle...


Who's to say a big magical construct can't have a personality? If AIs and sentient robots are possible in scifi, there's no reason that magical equivalents thereof wouldn't be possible in fantasy. Granted, Luminosita is (was) probably not a very advanced kind of this sort of being, but I wasn't insinuating that the Elven gods were really that lame; just that they were of that same general nature, though far more advanced.

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