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On 2002-11-10 13:59, ollie wrote:
the problem is tho, people <I>love</i> fascism, you're talking about authoritarianism witch is really what the right to bear arms is about stopping, fascism by it's nature is a popular political movement based on grass roots support, authoritarianism however is the whole 'top 1%' ruling class idea, backed up by threats of violence, sanctions etc against the masses
Point. I should really have said "totalitarianism", a broader and more accurate term.
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in a authoritarian society, only the ruling classes private police force have guns and are free to impose teh will of their masters on a defenceless population, in fascism the people's militas are most likely to be the actual hardcore centre of the national/party armed forces
True; however, said militias tend to be absorbed into the government as time goes on. Example: Hitler's brownshirts.
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note how many groups who promote the freedom to bear arms are right wing, many heading into the far end of the scale including full fascist/neo-nazi groups armed to the teeth in defence agains the Zionist controlled fedral government, surely if this were a issue of freedom, then the left would be just as, if not more behind de-regulation?
(all without my own opinions gettign in teh way, yet)
The political left has never been about freedom. It's about comfort, especially for the working class and the poor, to be provided by the government, at the expense of everyone else if necessary.
Of course, far-right groups are usually as opposed to freedom as an absolute as the left is; they just tend to want morality, rather than comfort, to be provided by the government, and therefore don't mind popular gun ownership.
The only people who want personal freedom on both the moral and social ends of things are (surprise, surprise) the libertarians, who (again, surprise, surprise) do in fact tend to be gun nuts. Unfortunately, they (we) tend to be a rare breed when compared to the right and left wings.
P-M
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